tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post5552347078847696284..comments2024-03-17T05:03:46.056-07:00Comments on xkcd sucks: Comic 513: You're Breaking UpCarlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01074589998141327538noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-18058147848740946272010-11-06T18:29:10.242-07:002010-11-06T18:29:10.242-07:00Bah. I took it as, he didn't really say all t...Bah. I took it as, he didn't really say all that stuff, but the girl saw through him anyway, and she'd rather date the guy who's openly a jerk. And the main character of the strip still believes that he is a nice guy.Rilianhttp://juliecranford.livejournal.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-68737356260342475602010-07-18T06:56:29.360-07:002010-07-18T06:56:29.360-07:00I only just found this blog and was pleased as I f...I only just found this blog and was pleased as I find much of xkcd so irritating I want to punch the very self-satisfied code it's constructed from. But this post is disappointingly stupid.<br /><br />You've taken one of his best comics and completely missed the point of it in the rush to take cheap snipes at its creator. What Munroe is like in person, what his personal history is, how his fans have reacted to the comic - none of that really has any bearing on what the comic is doing.<br /><br />It's making a quite insightful attack on a certain misguided passive approach to relationships that a number of people really do subscribe to, usually without recognising how creepy and self-obsessed it is. The "I'll tell myself" line suggests that the guy himself is unwilling to confront the real reasons for his own behaviour. <br /><br />The point of the comic is that it's cutting through any bullshit self-justifications and showing the unhealthiness and futility at the core of it, exposing selfish motivations most people wouldn't admit they have, even to themselves. You're not supposed to take it 100% fucking literally - that's what makes it satire.Some guyhttp://randomblokeswhopostcomments.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-74273539255131185952010-07-08T23:37:28.575-07:002010-07-08T23:37:28.575-07:00Wait I thought rob just knew some friends of his f...Wait I thought rob just knew some friends of his friends? This is the basis of your determination that he must be a creepy weirdo who does this in real life? And you compared this behavior to drugging people and raping them? And your evidence that he's a creep was that white-knights are creeps, because they disingenuously point out others as creeps. By that reasoning aren't you then white-knights like him? Also, you are joking when you make allusions to him glorifying this kind of behavior, right? I don't know why you'd even bring that up unless that was self-mockery of your own belligerence, meant to confuse me and at the same time draw parallels to randalls own supposed self-mockery.<br /><br />I guess basically what I'm saying is I find your arguments disingenuous and internally inconsistent. Unless it is self-mockery. In which case you went a little too subtle. Take cues from the comic for something in the appropriate range of subtlety (it's a little on the low end admittedly)Hubertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-2678669866701168572010-06-29T23:42:26.294-07:002010-06-29T23:42:26.294-07:00I just want to say that I fall into the "Rand...I just want to say that I fall into the "Randall is actually subtly poking fun at the internet nice guy and making him seem as creepy and stalkerish as he actually is." (This is the only interpretation in which the final panel could serve as a punchline, and given that it makes me giggle a bit when viewed this way, I would say it is a punchline.) Based on this interpretation, this is still my favorite xkcd comic ever, and the fact that it made all sorts of creepers come crawling out of the woodwork for us to laugh and squick at just makes it that much better for me.quintopianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-60870286584946328162010-06-22T19:51:48.528-07:002010-06-22T19:51:48.528-07:00yeah, the people who glorify this kind of thing, s...yeah, the people who glorify this kind of thing, say, in webcomic form, they are the weird ones.Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01074589998141327538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-73921469945548894252010-06-22T17:47:24.447-07:002010-06-22T17:47:24.447-07:00to think that there are people out there who let t...to think that there are people out there who let their inability to express those feelings manifest in creepy behavior, including manipulation, obsession, stalking, etc.? pretty disturbing!rshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15828938843801425383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-66251675171456046032010-06-22T09:33:46.604-07:002010-06-22T09:33:46.604-07:00anon 10:04 has it right... wow, people who have fe...anon 10:04 has it right... wow, people who have feelings for someone and don't know how to express those feelings are TOTAL creeps.<br /><br />how disturbing and disgusting is it to think that there are people out there like that?!?emilynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-77705023968458872852010-06-06T22:04:10.183-07:002010-06-06T22:04:10.183-07:00EW EW CREEPY CREEPY CREEPY.
YOU HAVE POOR SOCIAL S...EW EW CREEPY CREEPY CREEPY.<br />YOU HAVE POOR SOCIAL SKILLS.<br />YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO START A RELATIONSHIP.<br />YOU ARE A SUBHUMAN.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-71873965642589700152009-12-30T03:38:06.142-08:002009-12-30T03:38:06.142-08:00J. plzzzz stayyyyy the only comments I have read i...J. plzzzz stayyyyy the only comments I have read in my quick checks of the blog are yours and they are <i>so</i> pleasant.Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11192581573588205095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-37935262483612365442009-12-29T21:54:28.026-08:002009-12-29T21:54:28.026-08:00"I've gotten more critical of most webcom..."I've gotten more critical of most webcomics and many other forms of humour - which is a bit of a shame, because I now (subjectively) overanalyse things that I would otherwise just have smiled at. So the number of times my day is brightened has been reduced somewhat. Ah well."<br /><br />As they say, an unexamined life is not worth living. It is unfortunate if turning a critical eye to the world makes it less enjoyable--legitimately!--but I think it's an important skill to develop. Take nothing for granted, question everything.<br /><br />"As regards the "Friends" comic, I didn't read any real confirmation for the "Randall acts like this IRL" viewpoint out of Rob's posts, but then, I don't have the same kind of contact with Rob as you, so maybe I'm missing information."<br /><br />I don't put it in posts. My information is indirect--Randall and I share friends but we've only met a few times--and I am not sure how privileged it is. I don't mind it appearing in comments, but I avoid posts. He's not a bad dude. Like say, I think the comic was self-satire, and I admire someone who can make fun of themselves.<br /><br />"I commented on this comic specifically because this is one of my own favourite xkcds - mainly because I remember going down the "creepy Nice Guy" path for a short way in my teenage years before I realised what a dark and horrible path it really was."<br /><br />Thank God for revelations, right? I am so glad I was not a teen forever.<br /><br />"Have a nice life, all! :)"<br /><br />Oh, please stay. You are intelligent and thoughtful.rshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15828938843801425383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-20083000462005531512009-12-28T17:42:11.432-08:002009-12-28T17:42:11.432-08:00TBH, I have gained a little something from this bl...TBH, I have gained a little something from this blog, although I'm not sure whether I should be happy about that or not.<br />I've gotten more critical of most webcomics and many other forms of humour - which is a bit of a shame, because I now (subjectively) overanalyse things that I would otherwise just have smiled at. So the number of times my day is brightened has been reduced somewhat. Ah well.<br /><br />To put my position clearly, I don't think Randall is a great unsung genius whose work is untouchable. I do enjoy xkcd, I do tend to at least smile at every comic that I read, I'm not generally creeped out by any of them, and I do treat xkcd as a sort of visual ideas blog on those occasions when the comic isn't funny. <br />I also acknowledge that the science and tech concepts in the comic have become simpler and simpler as time goes by, which I sometimes feel a little wistful about, but it doesn't really impact my enjoyment of the comic much.<br /><br />As regards the "Friends" comic, I didn't read any real confirmation for the "Randall acts like this IRL" viewpoint out of Rob's posts, but then, I don't have the same kind of contact with Rob as you, so maybe I'm missing information. <br /><br />I can see where you're coming from on this, but I myself don't see any logical reason to assume Randall is like this (as described before), nor do I feel that way in my spontaneous emotions when I read the comic. Obviously, we differ somewhat - shock! awe! ;)<br /><br />What I meant ("influential platform") was that this blog aspires to be an actual analysis of the comics as opposed to "just" an opinion, which it often is - just not here, on this one issue. It is also the premier blog that any search for discussion of xkcd beyond its own forums will turn up and has a bit of an "official" feel because of that. This last is probably unintentional, but it does strike me as more than just my imagination and therefore factors in...<br /><br /><br />Thanks for your nice welcome, by the by - I probably won't stick around much, simply because I don't often have the time or inclination to discuss comics that take up a minute of my everyday life. But maybe, who knows - when I have time and feel like it, you might see me again. :)<br /><br />I commented on this comic specifically because this is one of my own favourite xkcds - mainly because I remember going down the "creepy Nice Guy" path for a short way in my teenage years before I realised what a dark and horrible path it really was.<br /><br />Have a nice life, all! :)J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-41626731926799228732009-12-23T22:24:20.839-08:002009-12-23T22:24:20.839-08:00J: First off, you are one of the most intelligent ...J: First off, you are one of the most intelligent pro-xkcd people to comment on here, and you should stick around. I promise that if you are this logical all the time, people here will respect you even as you disagree.<br /><br />First off, regular contributor Rob does know Randall a bit in real life and has confirmed this. But even besides that, you can tell a lot from the hundreds of comics Randall makes - they may not tell you much directly, but you learn a lot about the person who writes them by reading all his comics, and they tend to point to a person who thinks women are perfect and amazing all the time, ie, more the Nice Guy in the comic than the other. It's also just how a lot of <i>nerds</i> are, as the regular readers on the forums showed - lots and lots of people, people who like xkcd and think like Randall does the rest of the time - all assumed that he meant Nice Guy as the hero, the "correct" one. <br /><br />Quite frankly I think that only someone who was thinking along these lines could possibly have written a comic like this - it was so full of <i>earnestness</i> that I feel like it either must be based on his own thoughts, or he suddenly got really great writing skills before losing them immediately.<br /><br />Is it strong evidence? Not really, no. But it seems like enough that I am pretty confident, for real, that Randall means this more seriously than some have tried to suggest.<br /><br /><br />PS when you say "a platform as influential as this," how influential do you think this is? I am honored, of course, but I think you are exaggerating just a little.Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01074589998141327538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-82637544487352885562009-12-21T19:35:29.015-08:002009-12-21T19:35:29.015-08:00Hang on, hang on.
There seems to be a consensus (...Hang on, hang on.<br /><br />There seems to be a consensus (fairly understandably) that the comic isn't glorifying Nice Guy behaviour. So far, the only people who have made an argument to the contrary have based that argument on their personal guess of what Randall might be thinking or intending.<br /><br />I have a bit of a problem with that. Firstly, none of us really know what Randall's actual thoughts or experiences on the matter may be. There are several possibilities that have been raised:<br /><br />- He acts the way the Nice Guy in the comic does in real life.<br />- He once acted that way and is commenting on his own past behaviour.<br />- He has never acted in such a fashion, but is merely commenting on a pattern of relationship/friendship behaviour that he has experienced indirectly (e.g. hearing from friends, manga/anime/other media plotlines)<br /><br />There is no real basis to consider any one of these possibilities more likely than another. Some people have put forward the argument that Randall has stated that many of his comics are based on his own experience, while others have mentioned his stance on feminism or other things. Nobody has any more evidence of how he actually treats such situations in his personal life than, at the most, speculation and hearsay.<br /><br />Now, speculating on this kind of thing is fine. Drawing conclusions on a platform as influential as this and presenting them as more than just an opinion (and, regardless of the fact that such statements may be amended later on, that is what I read out of the main post), however, goes a bit too far into tabloid territory. This kind of thing is quite clearly trolling as I understand the term.<br /><br />Be that as it may, on with the comic.<br /><br />If we can't really state anything about author intention here, then it has no further place in any formal criticism. The most one can do is put down ones speculations, as mentioned above. So we have to judge the comic on its own merits. The choice of words here (including references to self-deception, use of quotes and emphasis etc.) points heavily to it being a critique of Nice Guy methods, not an endorsement of them. Again, it's possible to disagree with that, but I haven't yet read any arguments based on more than "I feel that this does such and such". So I fail to see the problem here...J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-52921772898274326042009-09-09T16:05:06.911-07:002009-09-09T16:05:06.911-07:00I remember reading this when it first was out and ...I remember reading this when it first was out and I chuckled a bit at the premise, that being he was explaining his plan to force a relationship on her and she turns him down. Now this may not've ACTUALLY been that funny but I still chuckled, and with xkcd I don't laugh at anything (unless it's from 10-300, even then 30 tops) so I see that as a bit of a feat.<br /><br />Upon finding this blog and how everyone regards Randall for his comics and the "romance" aspect I remembered this one and was curious as to what everyone would say. A shock was the xkcd forum attention and it reminded me of a similar incident in CAD and "that" comic. Now I admit I was only introduced to webcomics 2 years ago, my buds were over on New Years and they decided to show me some webcomics they showed me VG Cats and CAD(CAD was actually funny so I started reading it, then it lost its funny) then at school I was reading CAD and a friend decided he would show me some other webcomics, xkcd and sinfest.<br /><br />Then the pregnancy arc in CAD ended with an abortion and I decided that since I felt so strongly about this that I should take to the forums to show how I felt(I even sent an email to Tim saying he better not cut and run by immediately posting a "filler comic" about a new game or something stupid) and I was one of possibly 1000 other readers who felt the same way (we didn't say the same things but we were all motivated by that one comic to do so) and when I did that I got sucked into the forums(after I had a bitchfest about Tim refusing get past his immaturity and actually try to have Rob be treated with respect and I was given like 20 negative karma hits I thought to myself "fine, fuck you all, I've been here too long and I have nothing useful to contribute and I don't think I ever did" and avoided CAD with the exception of 1 minute of my time M W and F because the comic entertains me from time to time(as does xkcd except for the "panel" comic))<br /><br />The reason I brought that up is I got a disturbing feeling of familiarity with seeing those forum posts, because I saw quite a few similar on the CAD forum, but none were as disturbing (it was interesting to see sooo many people admit they had gone through it or that others were celebrating their 2nd baby and were hoping Lilah and Ethan would try again X_X) but I have other reasons for posting here.<br /><br />Some people have commented that we are either looking to deep into this comic or are just being asshats for thinking Randall is voicing his actual experience in this comic. I understand their reasons for saying such, I also agree that the comic could be viewed as sarcastic, or ironic or many other adjectives meaning the same thing but here's another thing about that. Given that Randall has openly admitted that many of the things in his comics he has actually done I'm more than willing to believe he was/is the "nice guy" in the comic because let's face it, if you are a guy and have low self-esteem and self-worth, it's not much of a stretch to think we actively think up situations similar/identical to the one in the comic (whether we attempt to or not is different) so it's not a stretch to think that Randall hasn't actively thought up this scenario many times before but since we have examples of him doing things in real life that he did in his comics (the ball pen) I don't see it as much of a stretch to believe that there is a possibility that he has tried this on at least one girl in his life.<br /><br />To the other side of the argument that he's joking, k maybe he is just joking but from what viewpoint? Maybe Randall's joking like "haha I used to think like this and I realise how silly it was, oh ho ho look how clever I am by showing this in a sarcastic light" and if that's the case, I don't excuse his behavior because that's also an immature way of trying to look down on the behavior, it's like a 5 year old hitting another and then when that 5 year old is 15 he makes jokes about how silly he was beating up kids, there's a nicer way to admit to that and you don't have to look like a smug douche while doing soAces Highnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-24868842076394389382009-09-09T03:50:53.297-07:002009-09-09T03:50:53.297-07:00Yeh I don't know Randall enough to know any of...Yeh I don't know Randall enough to know any of his personal habits, but this strip still seems to be making fun of the situation.<br /><br />Self parody or not, it doesn't seem too creepy to me.jpronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-68096268666100951892009-09-08T21:32:58.543-07:002009-09-08T21:32:58.543-07:00if we didn't know from so many personal accoun...if we didn't know from so many personal accounts that this is exactly how Randall acts, I might believe you more. see <a href="http://www.chainsawsuit.com/20080509.shtml" rel="nofollow">this chainsawsuit</a> for a good 6-panel explanation.Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01074589998141327538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-49124565616039660222009-09-08T11:48:39.946-07:002009-09-08T11:48:39.946-07:00Yeah, the comic is soaked in sarcasm. Look at it a...Yeah, the comic is soaked in sarcasm. Look at it again.<br />Panel 4: how 'selflessly' is in it's own box.<br />Panel 5: the underlined 'I' as if stressing the fact.<br />Panel 6: How 'value our friendship' is in quotes.<br /><br />It seems these points we're 'highlighted' if you will because the comic is pointing our how flawed that thinking is. Almost to slap you in the face with irony.<br /><br />---<br /><br />Then the comic ends with lines like:<br />-revise your definition of love<br />-TRY to be happy<br />-SOMETIMES you will be<br />-This wasn't the ending you'd hoped for.<br /><br />These lines show that the author is pointing out how the whole idea is a bad idea by making it pretty obvious that the girl is not happy.<br /><br /><br />And then one more awesome hit of irony with 'but he doesn't respect you!', even though by this point we know the character doesn't respect her at all.<br /><br />I don't see how it's creepy, unless you mean the people who employ these methods as such. The author clearly seems to be making fun/satire of the situation.Jpronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-65348071538823323302009-08-10T12:03:50.737-07:002009-08-10T12:03:50.737-07:00Except, Randy has demonstrated his creepy Nice Guy...Except, Randy has demonstrated his creepy Nice Guy tendencies all over the place.rshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15828938843801425383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-53160370215286281022009-08-10T02:21:55.138-07:002009-08-10T02:21:55.138-07:00If you're going to criticize the forum, fine. ...If you're going to criticize the forum, fine. The comic, however, stands well on its own two feet. He pretty accurately describes the subtle slow hell of being stalked by a Nice Guy (tm) in the manner described. There is ZERO hint in the comic that Randall approves of the method employed here.<br /><br />The last panel seems to be filtered through Nice-Guy-Speak. Nice Guys generally view other men as falling into one of two categories: Nice Guys (i.e. creepy passive-aggressive stalker types like themselves) and jerks (i.e. men that actual women might actually be attracted to.) No actual real-world conversation has ever gone, "I'm going to date this jerk now." "But he doesn't respect you!" I'd guess the conversation was originally probably something innocuous like, "Hey, I want you to meet Joe! We met a couple weeks back, I really like him, I think you will too!" "Sounds cool, I can't wait to meet him. If he's important to you, he's important to me." But it's filtered through Nice-Guy-Speak, so obviously any guy she actually likes must be a jerk, while the main character is blissfully un-self-aware in believing that he, and only he, really "respects" her.Kristycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13321532023627519016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-40116434779892068152009-07-28T17:04:26.871-07:002009-07-28T17:04:26.871-07:00First of all, I don't know where you get the &...First of all, I don't know where you get the "He must have done it to have told it" idea. Anyone who's read a significant amount of manga, for example, knows the "childhood friend wants to be more than friends" story, which is just a variant of this. It seems like you're going out of your way to pin the "creepy" label on Randall, when the label rightfully belongs to the guy in the comic.<br /><br />Second, the last panel is the refutation of the idea that this is just a conversation in the main guy's head, or Randy's actual experience. The whole point of the comic (as you note) is that this is a stupid idea and the girl won't want it and the guy's a jerk (highlighted by the phrase "this jerk"--as in, instead of you, you jerk). He is actually telling her that he'll do this, and she is actually rejecting him. Where does the imaginary conversation come in? Where does the kidding on the square come in?<br /><br />Third, I'm not going to try to defend all of the XKCD forumites since I haven't read all the comments and some of them are undoubtedly really creepy, but quite a few of them are agreeing with him merely on the situation of being the friend with a crush sidelined by someone who spoke first. Hardly a skeezy situation, unless the friend then goes through the stalker shit that's in the comic.Math_Magehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14642323916552846153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-89293908534912633922009-07-05T03:25:31.139-07:002009-07-05T03:25:31.139-07:00I just reread that and it's just criticizing w...I just reread that and it's just criticizing what the narrator character is planning. It's not creepy, it's anti-creepy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-4895285153256820282009-07-04T11:03:32.085-07:002009-07-04T11:03:32.085-07:00....Wow I thought this was a joke on all the silly.......Wow I thought this was a joke on all the silly sitcoms and rom coms where you go, "ugh just make out already and end this dumb thing." If the alt text was something that referred back to this kind of joke or at least a funnier one, this would've been a good comic. Instead, it's in this category of "just kidding, well not really."<br />The forum for this comic is incredibly creepy. It appears people are actually employing this method. I mean some of them said that this comic made their heart ache (not for Carl's reasons) and other such b.s. Man the xkcd forum(ers? ites?) are freaky. There should be a blog devoted to them.Igloo McCoyhttp://igloomccoy.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-75002204973905520402009-06-07T20:44:53.594-07:002009-06-07T20:44:53.594-07:00Me too! OMG, those alien pasta worms are sooooo se...Me too! OMG, those alien pasta worms are sooooo sexy!Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17100503625466759223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-72664016700803811362009-06-07T15:18:59.820-07:002009-06-07T15:18:59.820-07:00I wanna fuck some alien pasta worms!I wanna fuck some alien pasta worms!Carlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714810984552499396.post-3737732535361739832009-05-15T14:02:00.000-07:002009-05-15T14:02:00.000-07:00Null, you are not only a dumbass prescriptivist, y...Null, you are not only a dumbass prescriptivist, you are a dumbass prescriptivist who doesn't even know how to use a goddamn dictionary.<br /><br />Let's throw a few definitions out there, shall we? First, from the Oxford American Dictionary:<br /><br />informal. causing an unpleasant feeling of fear or unease.<br /><br />From dictionary.com, which you probably just read the first definition of and then decided it was WRITTEN IN STONE:<br /><br />Slang. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a person who is a creep; obnoxious; weird.<br /><br />A creep, by the way, is "Slang. a boring, disturbingly eccentric, painfully introverted, or obnoxious person."<br /><br />Those are from the Random House on dictionary.com. This one is from the American Heritage dictionary: "Annoyingly unpleasant; repulsive." Definition two, there. The word is identified as informal.<br /><br />So, yeah! Those are some nice solid dictionary definition of words. Now, since it's an informal (or "slang" if you are going by the Random House definition) word, "creepy" comes with a very strong connotation, as well! Even prescriptivist dumbasses should be aware of this. A word is much more than its definition, and in informal language this is true even more so! Creepy denotes a person who is unpleasant, but it connotes that this person is unpleasant in certain ways--usually because of something like this. A creepy person is one who makes unwelcome advances without knowing how to stop, or plots elaborate traps to trick people into dating him, or exploits someone's vulnerability to get them to date him, or otherwise does something which is unwelcome and unpleasant, and usually he also doesn't relent. At its most innocuous it's just making people uncomfortable and not being aware of it, whether because of lack of awareness or just people being secretive about it; at its worst, it's scheming and manipulative, showcasing not just a lack of awareness, but a complete lack of concern for the victims of said schemes and manipulations--a sort of active apathy towards others.<br /><br />But yeah, you're an idiot.rshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15828938843801425383noreply@blogger.com